Dark Bit Factory & Gravity
GENERAL => Projects => Topic started by: Rbz on May 24, 2007
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As you know, I'm working on a music player using gm.dls samples, and here a first preview, no gfx added sorry.
I'm not a musician, so there's only two pages of "music" and no sound effects added yet.
Packed with crinkler 1.0a
Please tell me if it work Ok for you.
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Works here. I could listen to that for hours ;)
Jim
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Works fine here, too. Good work!
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Works here xp, sp2 Rbraz.
But I can hear noise in there (crackling) and I dont think its a volume problem so maybe you arent clearing the sound buffers to zero before using them? Just a guess.
Chris
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Worked for me too :)
Nice Bassline! hehe, is this for use in 4kbs?
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that one's really cool regarding the filesize :) :||
btw. works for me either :) Win Vista AMD XP 5200
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Thanks dudes
... is this for use in 4kbs?
Yes, is my intention to use it for 4kb prods in the near future O0
...But I can hear noise in there (crackling) and I dont think its a volume problem so maybe you arent clearing the sound buffers to zero before using them? Just a guess.
Very weird, I'm clearing (ZeroMemory) all buffers used, just to make sure the problem isn't with volume I have attached one version with low volume for you to test.
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nice one rbraz!
works fine without distorsions here mate :goodpost:
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Rbraz, distortionson first one, tested on two platforms, but second one is clear. It must be a volume thing. So problem solved but I have bad news. I ran the first one you posted several times and once it failed to play anything. It may be rare but you should know just incase it happens on a compo machine.
BTW Im going to Riverwash 2007 and they take remote entries, they have 4k and 256b so if you want to submit something, I could represent you and make sure it runs on compo machine etc.
http://www.riverwash.info/index_en.php
Chris
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nice one rbraz!
works fine without distorsions here mate
Thanks Nino
Rbraz, distortionson first one, tested on two platforms, but second one is clear. It must be a volume thing. So problem solved but I have bad news. I ran the first one you posted several times and once it failed to play anything. It may be rare but you should know just incase it happens on a compo machine.
BTW Im going to Riverwash 2007 and they take remote entries, they have 4k and 256b so if you want to submit something, I could represent you and make sure it runs on compo machine etc.
http://www.riverwash.info/index_en.php
Chris
Thanks Chris, I'll check it again, you know, when we code those tiny prods we always compromise (hack) a lot so it's not a surprise if it stop working on some PC config. , I can live with that :)
About Riverwash, sounds cool, if I can find some free time (and inspiration) to work on a tinyprod I'll contact you for sure :)
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I think I will be entering something at riverwash for S!P, I need to get on Nuke's case to grab some media for it...
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BTW Im going to Riverwash 2007 and they take remote entries, they have 4k and 256b so if you
want to submit something, I could represent you and make sure it runs on compo machine etc.
http://www.riverwash.info/index_en.php
Chris
@Chris:
That's a nice offer, Chris. Thanks a lot. I'll will keep that in mind. Maybe I can finish something to
release there. Though, I never heard about riverwash and looking at its amount of competitions
I hope there will be enough entries at all ( e.g. splitting up 4k-comp into 2 sub categories .. )
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BTW Im going to Riverwash 2007 and they take remote entries, they have 4k and 256b so if you
want to submit something, I could represent you and make sure it runs on compo machine etc.
http://www.riverwash.info/index_en.php
Chris
@Chris:
That's a nice offer, Chris. Thanks a lot. I'll will keep that in mind. Maybe I can finish something to
release there. Though, I never heard about riverwash and looking at its amount of competitions
I hope there will be enough entries at all ( e.g. splitting up 4k-comp into 2 sub categories .. )
This Riverwash first year because Symphony has closed down. This is the only real Polish demoparty now.
I worry only that there wont be enough newskool entries as Poland is a bit hard core. However rumour is that
ps, dipswitch, sirgarbage, preacher and a few others are going to be there. It could go either way...I think with
remote entries it could attract entires from America or even Japan.
Chris
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@Chris:
True .. sounds really interesting. Looking forward to see the entries, too.
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Ok, I have decided to enter this party, probably it's my best chance to enter in one demo party because there's no one near to me.
I guess that 03 months is enough for me to make a prod and it will be 4kb ;)
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Cool. Looking forward to it. I am still undecided if I can enter. Atm I am quite
busy. But will see ...
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Not sure if I will have time to enter riverwash, I've spent too much time on this 4k music player, but finally I've something usable, and I'm really proud about it :)
About the music, hmmm ;D , this is what happen when you give the right tool to the real musician, and this is just a music test !
Music by: daxx
http://www.rbraz.com/temp/intro_test.zip
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@rbraz and daxx:
very nice intro and very nice tune! :goodpost:
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Excellent! and i see there is some more space left to turn it into a nice 4kb too! :carrot:
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Awesome stuff.
@rbraz:
cool coding and very impressive to see what how far you pushed your tiny music player. lots
of bytes left to finish a 4kb !!!
@daxx:
very good music. this kind of music I really do like. congratulations!
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Very nice, I hope you go somewhere with it :)
Jim
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Nice test! sounds good.
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Well done Rbraz, sounds good. How big is it? How did you do it? Any tricks?
Sounds like small clicks on some instruments here when the volume is loud you can hear it through headphones. Maybe its just my system though.
Chris
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Thanks dudes :)
@chris: the player with this nice music data = 950 bytes, and that music use 4 patterns the max patterns could be 8 pat.
There's no big trick on byte usage, the player use 4 channel but I need to use 2 bytes for music data except when there's no note to play which in this case is one 1 byte. The first byte is the note and second byte have the sample to play and volume control.
The big trick here is to let the musician use their own music tracker, I'd provide the gm samples, the final file should be saved in .xm (fasttracker II format), and I use a special tool to convert back to my own format. This is really good, because we save a lot of time on music development and make the music artist happy :)
That's all, btw I can add directsound effects but not for now, I need to think a tiny and versatile way to use it.
Cheers,
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Huuhhh ... that's really kewl stuff dude ... :) Very impressive ...
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First of all hello to all!
I'm Positron, I left the amiga scene in 1993 (perhaps 92). But I never stoped to look Intros and Demos. Today mainly on PC.
the player with this nice music data = 950 bytes, and that music use 4 patterns the max patterns could be 8 pat.
I'm mightily impressed! Nice work.
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Welcome to the board :)
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Yeah. Welcome Positron. Enjoy your stay !!!
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@Shockwave, @benny!
thanks.
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@rbraz:
Check ya PM ^^
@Positron:
Welcome in this great comunity ;)
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Rbraz and Daxx: Groovy stuff dudes, welldone on the tracker & the pattern :)
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oh, Thanks Clyde!
Btw, I was bored today and I did an another conversion, do you know this song ?
http://www.rbraz.com/temp/intro_test2.zip
hmm, If I only can create the correct samples ;)
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Is it Outrun?
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Awesome and catchy melody.
I thought of Outrun first, too !!!
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Heh, nope it isn't Outrun song, but yes it's an Amiga game, first level music.
Those samples that I'm using didn't help it too much :P
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Hmm. I know the tune, I just can't think what it is!
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1st clue: Shoot em up
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Is it R-Type ?
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More hints please ...
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Is it R-Type ?
Nope :)
More hints please ...
The game is very cool, but it contain some *bugs* :)
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Bugs ??? Hmm ... damn it... I spent so many time playing amiga games.
But I don't have any clue ::)
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Wings of Death ?
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Ok, it was hard to recognize it or probably I've destroyed that great song ::)
That song came from Apydia game level 01, you can find some info about it here:
http://www.lemonamiga.com/reviews/view.php?id=69
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Yeah. How could I forgot that cool game ... yeah ! :trans:
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I feel kind of bad for not guessing correctly now Rbraz :-\ Sorry I didn't recognise it mate.
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Here's the first preview of my soft synthesizer:
http://www.rbraz.com/temp/4k_SoftSynth_Test.rar
Not yet optimized, but the player, with all features enabled, takes around 1040 bytes and that 30 seconds song occupies around 70 bytes.
Player features:
-4 different oscillators: Sine, Saw, Square and Noise
-Envelope (Attack/Decay)
-Special Drum mode
-Tremolo effect
-Vibrato effect
-Volume control
-Cutoff and resonance filters
-Delay effect
ToDo:
-Distortion effect
I'm still looking for a good, "tiny specialist", musician to try it and help me to make it better, in the mean time I will be trying to learn how to make music myself ;)
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What can I say - I really like your synth. Did you write
it totally from scratch or does it base on any existing
code?
Awesome quality - looking forward to hear a tune which
uses a higher variations of effects!
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Very cool.
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Rbraz,
the sound is the best yet for sure. I really hope you find a musician soon as it will be interesting to here a cool lead track over the top of your drums. I think you have made a huge step here - I'm jealous :-)
Taj
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Thanks!
Did you write it totally from scratch or does it base on any existing code?
@benny!: It was coded from scratch, just directsound output code is the same used on gmdls version.
I have started coding it in November 2007 and it's not yet finished but all things that I have learned during the development of the old gmdls version helped me a lot.
I really hope you find a musician soon as it will be interesting to here a cool lead track over the top of your drums.
Me too! :)
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@benny!: It was coded from scratch, just
directsound output code is the same used
on gmdls version.
I have started coding it in November 2007
and it's not yet finished but all things that
I have learned during the development of
the old gmdls version helped me a lot.
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Wow ... then I might second master taj :
I'm jealous :-)
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This has one of the nicest sounds of a small synth I have heard.
I know that a lot of musicians really hate writing synth songs though so here's wishing you all the luck in the world to find someone who can do it justice.
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Yeah. C'mon musician ... even if the composing and
testing might be a pain in the a*** - but the result
can be really cool and guess it could be nice for a
scene musician to be part of a 4kb intro ???
@rbraz:
Are you planning to use your synth in a certain 4kb
intro - any plans so far ?
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Btw. Does any musician around here uses
this : http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=48898 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=48898) ?
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Benny that buzzic seems way too large for 4ks (nearly 2k for synth + tune)
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Awesome sounds Rbraz dude :)
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Benny that buzzic seems way too large for 4ks (nearly 2k for synth + tune)
Uhm ... didnt know it is that much. Thanks for the
info!
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Thanks Shock / Clyde
Are you planning to use your synth in a certain 4kb
intro - any plans so far ?
No plans so far, for sure that I will make something in the near future :)
Maybe I need to start coding an intro to motivate a musician to help me with music...
About buzzic, that guy did a great effort, but I guess he still have some bytes to cut out.
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Great work Rbraz! Can't wait to see (hear) it in a 4k.
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Thx Positron, probably I will need to do it myself :)
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Thx Positron, probably I will need to do it myself :)
If you are prepared to do a joint product I can recommend ampli or strobe from Titan both of whom are very capable with tiny synths. Hang out in #titandemo on efnet. The best way I found was to create all the graphics first so the music guy knows you are serious and its worth his effort to learn your tool.
But hang on you are in Ravebusters and there are like 6 musicians there! Are you saying that Daxx etc are not interested?
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it would strike me as really strange if none of the musicians in Ravebusters would support thier only coder, especially as you just released that lovely music disk for them.
Ampli is indeed great at writing tiny songs, also a good personal friend of mine and I could ask him if you cant get help from your group.
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But hang on you are in Ravebusters and there are like 6 musicians there! Are you saying that Daxx etc are not interested?
Nope, I can't say that, all that I know is that they are busy lately. I have started a topic at trbs forum about this synth and no one answered or downloaded it yet.
Ampli is indeed great at writing tiny songs, also a good personal friend of mine and I could ask him if you cant get help from your group.
Thanks Shock, I'd know Ampli, he is really good, I still need to do some tests with that synth and probably I will try to contact him later.
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@rbraz:
very nice synth and great instruments! Keep on your great work dude!
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Hopefully you will hook up with Ampli in the future :) I have heard some of Ampli's synth tunes and he's really great at getting good results from small samples and tiny synths.
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http://www.rbraz.com/temp/synth_test.rar
How bad is this ? hmm, don't answer :P
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How bad is this ? Badly in need of a musician I think but some interesting sounds and a lot of potential. Is it a realtime synth?
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@rbz:
its not easy to say how good or bad the tunes are, because i cant say how good or bad the tools of the musicians are (like, what tracker is he using, what are the features of the synth engine, what kind / number of samples and possible sample finetuning is possible for the musician and the synth engine?)
I think the two tracks are possible a good start but they are not my Kind of taste, possible because some notes seems to be wrong in the track.
Anyway nice synth and keep on your nice work on it!
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How bad is this ? Badly in need of a musician I think but some interesting sounds and a lot of potential. Is it a realtime synth?
Yes, I agree :skint:
tracker version play in realtime and 4k version song is precalculated at start.
Paranoimia *couch* version it's not finished and sound wrong of course (sorry Felix Schmidt :P) , I did it just to test tracker capabilities.
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Bad?
The samples sound really nice, I think that a real musician could make something amazing with this synth. The samples are about the nicest I have heard in a 4KB synth.
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@rbz:
one small question... are the samples self generated or are you using GM.dls for this?
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I believe that he is generating the samples himself.
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from his first post:
As you know, I'm working on a music player using gm.dls samples, and here a first preview, no gfx added sorry.
so it would be nice to know if he is still using gm.dls or does he moved the direction and generating the samples himself at runtime?
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no, no. This thread is about generated stuff.
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Not using gm.dls anymore, this is a real soft synthesizer, I've started coding this one since November 2007.
Glad you guys liked it
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@rbz:
wow, very nice work!
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Nice tunes rbz dude :)
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it would strike me as really strange if none of the musicians in Ravebusters would support thier only coder, especially as you just released that lovely music disk for them.
Ampli is indeed great at writing tiny songs, also a good personal friend of mine and I could ask him if you cant get help from your group.
shockwave... maybe there is a live behind the demoscene... i'll ever support rbraz! but:
1.) i have much work at this time and my job (reallife) is more important.
2.) i have a new appartement 500 km away from the old one... it was very hard to manage this!
3.) i was not online for a long while because i had'nt internet connection!
4.) i have big private problems because i think about to separate from my wife!
All that problems fucked my brain so much, that i really can not stay in my group at the moment... more embarrassed is, that members seems to could'nt work without my presence. :(
King regards,
Chris
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Hey Chris, I hadn't heard from you for a long time and I'm sorry to hear things are not working out for you :-\ Hopefully life will get better for you soon.
Your marriage definately has to be more important than anything.
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wow, almost 2 years and I still working on this soft synth ;D
The synth now support stereo sound ! :||
I've attached a test file and just wonder if it will works for everyone, this test was written using dx9 and requires D3DX9_32.dll.
The test music was used on my entry for BreakPoint 2009 which can be found here. (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=52941)
Ps: wait for song precalc 20 ~ 40 seconds..
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Very, very great work on the synth mate.
I know that this has been a long term project and you have worked really hard on it.
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Sounds great! :goodpost:
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Sadly does not work on Windows7 as all Crinkler packed files have problems to run on Windows7 and will crash :(
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Thanks for testing it
Sadly does not work on Windows7 as all Crinkler packed files have problems to run on Windows7 and will crash :(
It's seems that Blueberry is taking care about this problem (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=18158), I'm sure he will find a solution for it.