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[spitfire]

That is utterly fucked up of you shockwave. p43's opinion is 100% valid. I also don't get where you got the idea he couldn't take critcism, is was ME who said to p01 that its a matter of taste.

[Shockwave]

Please read the rules of the forum.
Nonsensical threats of physical violence, macho bullshit etc are not welcome here, nor have they ever been.

Believe it or not I am very happy about the nice vibe that we have here, unfortunately from time to time people will come along and maybe not necessarily deliberately try and change things into a free for all, but I am aware of it happening in other places and I will not have the nice atmosphere here destroyed by trolling.

Rules here are quite relaxed apart from code theft, warez, pron  and flaming between members.

As it happens I was just replying to an email from P43, his re-instatement to this community depends on him being able to understand the rules.

Anyway Spitfire, it was not about the opinion, it was that crap about being able to hurt people with his hands... I don't like that sort of stuff here ok?

I cannot be more fair than that.

[rain_storm]

I agree that a ban was not appropriate the lad is only 18 he did not use insulting language. And p01 did kinda push for a reaction by askin what age he was which in that context could be taken up as a big insult by some people

[Shockwave]

Look, I emailed the guy and asked him to refrain from posting things like "i can really hurt ppl with my hands" etc.

If he's happy. to do this then I will happily re-instate the account.

The general nice vibe we have had up until now here is worth preserving isn't it?

[rain_storm]

Agreed he was way out of line with that one lets hope there are no repeats

[Shockwave]

I actually think he was trying to explain why he sounds the way he does in his posts Rain, but it comes over all wrong and this place is different to every other code forum on the internet and I would not ever want that to change.

Sorry if it makes me unpopular sometimes but I intend to keep the place nice all the time.. Unfortunately that sometimes means that I have to make a decision about banning / warning a user. It's something that I wish I never had to do tbh.

Fwiw, P43 has had another chance as long as he agrees not to post stuff like that in future.
And P01, also asking his age probably didn't help matters much either but let's hope that he comes back and keeps in the same spirit as the rest of us.

[p01]

p43: Regarding the graphists I worked with in the IT and advertisements business, these people really know/knew their shit, and I have never seen or heard of one of them using more than a 100 and  something layers although they often worked on BIG images ( like A3 at 300-600 DPI, or 4x3m ads ) weighing in the Gb file size.

As a matter of fact, since I was the only one who didn't fall in love at first sight with your work, I forwarded this thread's URL to a graphist at work and he raised exactly the same points as I did.

[p01]

Oh! things are moving fast tonight.

*: the age/experience point seemed relevant to the discussion, that's why I tried to ask politely. It turns out that parse43 is indeed at a "relatively early stage of his career". I didn't mean to be insulting. Sorry if my tone lead people to think otherwise.

[rain_storm]

Sorry for bringing that up man I wasnt thinking straight. It was a bit disrespectful and it wasnt my place you know

[spitfire]

I too appreciate the nice vibe here and moderators need to be commended for creating a cool environment. But I disagree that banning will help preserve that, in an unintentional case such as this. A more appropriate action would have been closing of the thread with an email warning. Indiscriminate banning, name calling ("you troll") along with a big misinterpretation of intentions is a sure way to lead to an oppresive regime. And then people wont feel safe to post and youll really see people getting edgy (as I did).

[spitfire]

That being said, there are some really interesting points raised here by both p01 and p45 on the nature of art and quality and Id like to discuss them, but I wonder if doing so would contribute to the negativity?

[Shockwave]

I was in touch with P43 by email and his account is now re-instated.

I will make a detailed post later on about aggression in posts as well as a few other things so that everyone is clear about this for the future.

[p01]

spitfire: Thanks, IMHO these points deserve their own thread.

[Inc0gnit0]

Ok so I don't post often but felt the need to "speak up" here.

I've always found this board to be full of people offering support, help and guidance to each other whenever needed. Whatever the level of expertise, there is always support and guidance to be found here. It has a relaxed and supportive atmosphere and this is undoubtedly down to the members including the admins and mods.

Having been on forums which have had very little moderation or none at all....I would say is a bad thing. I have seen forums destroyed or become like dog baiting rings through lack of moderators. To me Pouet is a classic example of an un moderated site where insults and baiting lowers the tone of the forum.

So having been around since the start of this one and seen the hard work put into keeping it such a great place I can understand why there are occasions that an admin or mod may need to step in TO PROTECT THE VIBE OF THE FORUM. Inevitably this means that it may not be a popular decision with everyone but sometimes these warnings are needed to keep people mindful of the forum rules.

In the case of P43, I personally felt the comment about hurting people was uncalled for too as it obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with what was being discussed. However, having looked at everything in detail again and further posts I think that Nick has been fair in offering him to come back as long as he refrains from such comments. I think the topic of P43s ban should be put to rest now.

Finally, I would like to say a big thank you to all the admins and mods for their hard work here and also all the members for their contributions. Well done everyone - this is one of the nicest forums on  the net....lets keep it that way

[rain_storm]

Your right Inc0gnit0, forums need to be administered or else it gets messy. These boards are very well administered and this place has a relaxed vibe that I have never seen elsewhere. I apoligise to you Shockwave for my part in the above its your responsibilty to decided the best COA and I respect that decission. I see know that jokes that cross a line are just as unacceptable as serious threats or racist slurs

[Shockwave]

No problem Rainstorm, that's cool.

[p43]

Hello, Im back I had some trojans on my PC but now everything is fixed. About the age question, I know some people get mad about it but dont expect me to do that too. I wasnt mad, and I wont be mad if some one askes for my age, I think that is a normal question but for some older people its disrespectfull to ask them about their ages, I had the same with a teacher of me.

I agree with the admin, by not setting up the rules like this board everything will get messed up for a good example I will mention pouet.net.

I think p01, comments arnt destructive but fair. He clearly gave his arguments without flaming or anything like that, its good to hear that too.

Something personal to p01:

I know what you ment with mid 90ties gfx and bad texture gfx. In fact, I dont know if you know this but nowdays in the crackersscene there are to types or release groups. 0day and WWW. The WWW scene is more for people who never made it to the top, a common problem with crackers is if they have a poor connection they will never release 0day stuff. WWW crews have almost a public crew forum, where outsiders can post their gfx. And I must admit, mostly the GFX has real bad quality or the gfx'er copied the settings from some tutorial and he will say for sure "look what I made", in fact these people didnt create it by themself because all they have done is copied. Some other problem with the GFX'ers of the WWW scene is there is a big lack of drawing. I saw many stuff wich contained ripped GFX. And many people reply on those topics with subjects like "that is nice" or something like that.

But the fact is, that they just say its nice because they dont want to harm them but I think people must be fair to eachother. Thats why I said your comment wasnt destructive at all. If Im allowed, I post some of samples.

[Shockwave]

Welcome back

[benny!]

@p43:
yeah. welcome back!