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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2011 »
For me it's not a problem with implementation - it's pretty obvious that the forum technologies are interchangeable and we could either re-work this smf forum into something that works or go for the latest and greatest of something else.
But of course that is useless and unproductive if there isn't anyone reading and posting.  I know Shockwave has previously put a hell of a lot of effort into attracting people to this forum and its previous incarnations.  Some of these people have been around for what seems like forever.  That is something that needs to happen again, but who is going to do it and who has the cult of popularity surrounding them to do it I do not know.  For one thing I know that both Shockwave and I have not been as active over the last few years, he because he has started a family and a new job, I because my new job has very little time for goofing around with demos during work time.  So it's also a case of someone or a group of someones having the time to put in what it takes.

Just re-read the Hezad 3D Engine thread - that was fun wasn't it!?

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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2011 »
It seems like the concensus so far is that we keep the place on SMF.  That actually suits me because it means that I can put my time into other things on here.

The time considerations are a good point too.  Since my eyesight deteriorated and I've been busy in work and with my son I haven't put much time in here.

I used to organise a lot of competitions.. They were difficult to get right, if any of the rules were ambiguous then it caused confusion and occasionally I was put into awkward positions with entries submitted past deadline and ripped code, but on the whole they were good.. I'd say over 95% good.

The comps are one thing that have generated interest but it's hard to get people to draw signatures and it's nice to offer a prize too but lets just say that things have been a bit tight around here for the last couple of years and I really haven't been able to spare much cash, things are a little bit better now (I can afford the hosting etc) but it wouldn't be easy to justify to Mel if I took money out of the household budget when my son needs things... As long as people were understanding that there would not always be a cash prize I'd be happy to organise comps again.

Also we took a knock when hospapa fucked us over.  It was a cruel time to happen too because we were hitting new peaks with new members and posts.

And as for Hezad's terrific thread.. Well, this has happened every year or two. Someone comes along who wants to write a software 3D engine, in the past I can remember Grim123 with his raycaster, stonemonkey, tetra, ferris, blitz ammateur, hezaz and there are probably a few more...  The problem is though that when the main problems are overcome then the posts dry up and in the history of the forum the posts seem to gravitate towards one particular language, be it C++, Yabasic, Freebasic, Blitz or whatever.

Lastly a word about moderators.  We've been lucky enough here to have had some really good moderators.  Moderators are not necessary here to keep the members in line because DBF is mostly friendly and always has been.  I see the role of moderator as someone who starts topics and encourages posting.

It's really difficult to find someone like that who has enough time to commit to this and it's an easy trap to get into to have inactive moderators which is unfair on the active ones.

I would love DBF to be busy with some good posts again and if we are going to stay on SMF we need to;

1: Have a moderation team of about 8-10 members who post.  I will do my best to post new topics but there will need to be an active and committed team that is doing the same (and it goes without saying that if any of that team become inactive that they must be prepared to step aside and let someone else take thier place).

2: Get a few more comps going.

3: Try and explore a few new languages.  I quite fancy having a pop at Java myself because it's free and if I master it it will mean that I can demand more pay at work ;)

4: Take a look at the direction of the forum and decide whether we need to diversify a little, and even if we don't then we should decide what forums are relevant.  After all, out of the core members here I would not really call everyone here a demoscener (and that's ok) but maybe we need to cater for a wider audience.

5: Reduce the number of boards in this forum as much as possible (too many boards discourages posting).

6: Look at ways of promoting the site to our target audience to gain new members.

7: Develop proper anti-spam measures. (Thank you Combatking for your PM, I think your solution is unique and would partly cure the problem)... Although it's something I think I'd need your help to impliment.

8: Re-Skin the site, give it a lick of paint and make it look more like a coding site.


^^ All the above are just ideas to be kicked around and discussed.

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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2011 »
About comps ... I never participate for money prizes (karma is enough for me in fact :p (and having nice signatures logo :D because I really like them)
After ... I didn't put enough time in your compos ... bad (I have the problem with all tasks I am doing).

For moderating stuff ... I would be happy to do it (even if sometimes I am lazy to read english :p) After ... I am also already lacking of time ... so be precautious with this one. But since I like to see new stuff (like the showcase) and I am nearly directly saying words ... maybe I can do the job.

Recently, I have started to learn a new langage (the D) ... maybe it can interest.
Way to promote DBF -> Do prod and put it on Pouet.net ... it will do the job in the demoscene domain.
I can add a link in the profile that I own on Nectarine (I am moderator there :p)
And if all is doing that, it can grow up quickly (not specially about Nectarine)
Finally ... with better search bots (google and others) referencing, we can grab people :)
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2011 »
Let us kick spam! :boxer: :whack:

I'll also get my arse in gear and produce some Flash / Actionscript 2 tutorials.

(edit) That didn't sound right, but I hope you know what I mean. I'm very enthusiastic about this.
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011 »
Woah, that was a lot read. :D So where do I start, I almost forgot everything already. Guess I'm getting old. haha Okay, *scratching head*, here you go:

I always enjoyed the compos, because it makes you focus on one thing instead of coding random stuff which will never be published anyway. For the prizes. Of course I liked getting some $, but that was actually never the reason to participate in them. Actually I had never thought I could win anything anyway except for the BITS compo.  ;D I do it for fun and I like the competition and to see how other members approach the given task. As long as it's for Karma and the winning entries end up in a showcase or you get a sig, everything's fine with me. (Speaking of, the Liquid Challenge entries never made in the showcase... Tut, tut.  :P)

Readability of the forums. I also think there's too many boards actually. Not sure how to strip them down and to decide what's relevant or not. But for example General Chat and Hangar 18 could be easily combined imho.
Another thing, the lazy guy I am (and of course I can only speak for myself), I usually use the portal to view which threads are new (I get confoozled (especially on my mobile) when trying to browse the forums and all its child boards directly for new stuff - but maybe I'm just doing it wrong  ;D), but since there's only the last 10 posts available and when there's a highly frequented thread like this one the list gets "spammed" with only one new topic and other threads get easily lost. So my idea would be to have an expandable list (by pushing a button) on the portal to at least be able to view the latest 25 threads or so.




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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2011 »
If it would make it easier and less time consuming to change to another forum tech then I would say go for it. We all have various things  in our lives that takes up precious time already, so if the time being used on maintaining the forum could be cut down, then it sounds like a very good idea.

As far as competitions goes, then I doubt that people would not participate if there were no cash prices. Personally I do not like the cash thing, I find it unneccessary and one should participate because they want to challenge themselves rather than because they want to win some money. But I also think that the challenges sometimes might have been too specific, which might have turned some people away. It might be possible to rethink how they are put together to make it easier for people to partake. I definately feel that they are part of this forum and a valuable feature which gets people coding and sometimes great threads might occur when people are asked how they did a specific effect.

I will gladly help Shockwave on the financial side of things to keep this or any rewamped version of this forum alive and have also done so in the past. I still think there is a place for this forum on the internet and there is also a need for it. But as others have mentioned, it would be nice to get some new blood on the forum as well, and get the community it has generated a bit more alive and kicking that it has been the past year or more. I do not really have any golden tips on how to get more people interested unfortunately, so I am not sure who I would be able to assist in that aspect.

I feel that the moderation so far has been very good, and even though there have been changes in the team during its lifetime I feel that everyone have done a good job of keeping people in check, which is also in part a result of most forum members being well behaved and decent people. At the moment I would not be able to take part as such, but I hope that a handful of people would take Shockwaves invitation and assist with keeping this place running and help getting it back to its glory days.

Well I do not want to hit you all with a wall of text, so I will cut it short here, but I really hope that this place continues, and it would be great if old threads would remain searchable, and yes I also think that there are way too many boards.

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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2011 »
Oh! and about forums category ... I have to say that I am used to browse huge forum (at least one) which has so many categories that this forum looks small.
But in fact, I am not going in all categories because I am using the email notification on new post in the parts that I like.
So please, if you are changing something in forum engine, keep the notification system for new post / new reply working ... otherwise I will strangely disappear (I am not often taking time to go through the long fav list that I have to check that's new ... so an email is so much easier to me :))
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2011 »
Its now over one year ago, when i contacted nick and told him about a very special idea for a competition here and how the forum could get probaly some more attention. (i will post parts of my original message here, because i am to lazy to write it again ^^ Hope its ok for you nick ;)

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However i noticed that the forum activation is very still, isnt it? So i thought about the situation and how it could be possible to push the forum and its activation (maybe even with getting new members).

So my idea is a very special DBF contest but the announcment should not be only here in the forum! Now, this time the announcement for the contest must reach the guys we are looking for (newbies!).

The question is just, how to reach this guys and the answer is still easy when you think about my idea and start announcing this very special contest in the next issues of scene magazines and at the same time here on the forum as generall!

You may ask, whats so special about the contest - because its not a contest as all the other contest here at DBF in the past i think!

My idea is a "CodeIt Tutorial Contest #1" or however you will name it and a nice (maybe small cash) price? Here is a text how the contest could look like:

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Welcome to the official DBF CodeIt Tutorial Contest #1! If you are not a member at www.dbfinteractive.com, take this chance to join now. If you are not registered, you will not be able to win!

Our sponsors we will be giving out a total of $50 worth in Cash and the sponsors are: Name, Name

Everyone is automatically entered from this point forward. If you notice, a "Total Points" has appeared at the left hand side of everyone's name in posted messages. You earn points by posting Tutorials only! Your tutorial must adhere to the rules specified at the bottom of this post in order to receive your points. Here are how the points work:

Scoring Karma Points:

    * 15-35 points per tutorial. Complex tutorials will receive more points than beginner tutorials.

Examples:

    * Simple "Hello World" tutorial with 1-2 pictures will receive 15 points.
    * Complex tutorial on creating images pragmatically with no images will receive 20-30 points.
    * Complex tutorial on creating images pragmatically with several images will receive 35 points.

Prizes
Now for the good part, the prizes! The winners will be determined by how many points they have when the contest has ended. There will be a total of 3 winners:

Prizes:


Deadlines:
The deadlines for the above contests are march 30th, 2010. The winners will be notified via PM and Email.



Rules
What is a tutorial? - A tutorial is any step-by-step guide related to programming with images. Examples can be found [here = link to DBF tutorial section]

**NOTE** Your tutorial must be at least 800 words or more! Your tutorial should contain screenshots where possible!

Copy/pasting of tutorials is not allowed! Your tutorial must be original and must not exist on any other website!

We wish you the best of luck!

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The text is not for the final... just only a small inspiration and showing stuff behind the idea! Maybe its a nice chance and nice contest, when ppl dont have just to code something to win... no, they just have to write a nice coding tutorial ;)

It was just an idea i wanted to share with you ;)

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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2011 »
I do think we've got more boards here than at my place, but far fewer than on the forum on Weebl's Stuff, which is so bloated with boards and topics that I've given up there.

I was a member of another forum a few years ago now, and while the owner was nice enough, the place was dominated by idiots who typed in "733t" or whatever it is, and they weren't very friendly to newcomers, so I left.

Certainly this place could do with a trim, but not much. O0
The atmosphere is welcoming enough - we've got that right.

I think some of the smilies have been duplicated just above the new post entry - they could do with being tidied up a little.

I could even make a new animated gif smily just for here - any suggestions?
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2011 »
I could even make a new animated gif smily just for here - any suggestions?
Yeah new reason to make a compo \o/ The three first will get used in the forum \o/

@Va!n ... the tuto compo is an idea ;... but ... huge to do ... and not really welcoming beginners (since I don't like registering on website ... your message is nearly forcing me to do so :p)
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2011 »
Does anyone really come here for tutorials?  I know we have some good ones.

I'm not a fan of tutorials because they are unlikely to hit the spot of a potential forum member's problems, and if they were useful they may even stop them signing up!

Much better to direct efforts towards people who are having real problems on the ground (again, the Hezad thread) than to guess what might be needed.

The one good thing about writing a tutorial is (for those of us who really are not teachers) to get the problem's description and solution clear in one's own head so it can be explained to another person.  In that way it probably helps the tutorial writer far more than any putative audience.

I'm looking forward to Shockwave's new comp!

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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2011 »
It looks like I have a lot to do :)

Please keep posting in here, I have updated the showcase with the liquid challenge winners and a new challenge has been launched today.
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2011 »
hey guys, been a long time :cheers:

whatever you decide to do (change/leave as is/modify/etc.), i'm here if i can help somewhere :)

just a thought that might attract people, as we all know demos and coding have 3 major parts.
  • the code
  • the music
  • the graphics

in this forum we have sections for code and music but not graphics and many people out there are into graphics and have no idea what a demo is and it's history.

if some graphicians come here and read all about it, see the friendly atmosphere  :buddies:, who knows maybe they'll dive into coding as well.

i know we have the sections together music-gfx, what i meant is separate.

just my 2 cents :)


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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2011 »
If you want to add an MP3 player for showcasing Demo music, I have a selection of Flash MP3 players on my website at http://barcodebattler.co.uk/jukebox

Andy at the RCM has opted for an older version of it, but hopefully I can persuade him to upgrade.
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2011 »
I'm not a fan of SMF - interface seems quite "cludgy" compared to others. One I really like is the forums at phpfreaks.com although they have heavily modified that.

I'm got Blitz Max installed on my machine. Not used it much except to play around with maths functions for calculating stuff. I'm almost 40 and I know I'm not going to produce some amazing new demo with slick effects as my codingdays are pretty much over. The Amiga was where it happened for me and those days are gone. I've tried DevPac in WinUAE and it isn't quite the same.

What would I like to see? BlitzMax tutorials teaching the reallt basic stuff.

I've got more of a life now than I did when I was sat in my bedroom coding as a kid then as a teen and I don't have the time to be sat researching stuff plus I have Dyspraxia which makes some learning definitely anything but enjoyable.

I'd like to learn BlitzMax better than I do now and some tutorials on how to do stuff would be awesome. I've not yet tried looking for any books in PDF format yet but will tomorrow.
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Re: A controversial topic.
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2011 »
What software do I prefer, you mean what programming language?

On the Amiga it was assembler and E but those were very much machine specific and I don't like the idea of running them on an emulator.

For the PC I'd love to learn BlitzMax. Overall it would have been C++ but I don't have the time to learn that what with dyspraxia. I've had a play with BlitzMax and I like what I see. Quick and easy coding.

With the Amiga I was very much into coding utilities and although I'd like to do the same on the PC it's not essential. I'd love to cover some maths stuff.

I noticed the more complex the machine the less detailed the manuals get. Now we've got todays PCs and the manuals seem non-existant.
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2011 »
No, sorry. When you said you didn't like SMF and you posted the link to PHPfreaks I thought that they had some different software, but looking at that site it runs on SMF too.

What I meant was what forum software do you find preferable to SMF because one of the ideas that I was kicking around was to migrate the board onto a different stype of software.
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Re: A controversial topic.
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2011 »

It is a bit of money but the good part with it is, unless they changed it again, that once you payed you now get unlimited updates forever on that major version ie 4.x. Not as before where you had to pay each year.
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2011 »
I do like phpBB but I know it's not one of the best security wise.

Not really thought of forum software like that. Didn't realise phpfreaks was SMF - that's a surprise - must be a mix of the theme and custom mods.
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