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« on: March 19, 2011 »
I started doing some research on Facebook and Googlemail lately.

I have a new mobile phone with a number that was only allocated a few weeks ago and yet I am already getting sales calls from companies that seem to know personal information about me.

I happened to check through my mobile phone and I saw to my surprise that it had automatically imported the mobile phone numbers of my facebook and Gmail contacts and put them in my phone directory!

I think that these sales calls I am getting are because of these privacy loopholes in FB and Googlemail.

I am going to remove all my personal contact information off there later on and I'd advise other people to check to make sure that their settings are what they want.

I feel offended that my data seems to have been exported in this way.. When I originally set up my account, I made the privacy settings as tight as I could but somehow they seem to have been reset..  Also I have never entered my phone number into Gmail or Facebook, it just seems to have been linked up automatically.

I can see why some people campaign for tighter privacy laws on the internet.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011 »
Yeah Facebook stinks.
Another advice in addition: never use the friends finder and enter some email adresses. Not only do I doubt that Facebook isn't gonna store you passwords, it also adds all entered email adresses to your contact info without asking and you'll have to delete them one by one manually afterwards.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011 »
I am not surprize by that as that why it called BUGBOOK instead of Facebook because there is privacy loophole in facebook and that is another good reason to Close the Facebook by delete facebook account for once and all  :vangry:

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Re: Facebook
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2011 »
@Nick:
Facebook and some other social networks are known for that, even like Apple! So i dont really like the way personal datas are given away today - sometimes without the knowledge of the user! Very often such things are written in the AGBs (terms & conditions) - but as we all know, this are often some sites long and i dont really know someone, who read all this terms and conditions, when installing a software!

However in the past and even about one week ago, i got a lot of email spam (sometimes over 100 spam mails per day) - so i taked my time and checked the senders adress and the content of the spam mail! First i picked out all senders from germany, because i live in germany. Some spam mails had under the advertising a info section, that its a service of xyz (any name) companie located in germany - often with a contact email.

Now i did the hard work and contacted any of this spammer where i found out the website owner and its post adress and email infos!! (Sure you can forget this, when the spammer is using a hotmail account or so). But for most of my spam mails i had real luck and wrote a letter prohibiting the use of my data storage and legal texts with reference to privacy.

After my emails, 98% of the spammer (often professional companies) reacted in writing me a mail back or sending a letter by smail, with all infos, where they got my datas from (which was every important for me), what kind of datas they have stored of my person... and at least that i am on a black list and will never get any spam again from this company! Since a few days, i have daily just only about 0 to 1 spam  mail :) It was a big success for me!

However for all germans and maybe for people understanding german (hi nick ;) , to get an idea of my letter and what you can do... here is my original letter i used with success:


Code: [Select]


<Insert here
your full adress>                                <Your city,  date>



<Here the full
adress of the
website owner / companie>

 
 
Widerruf der Genehmigung zur Speicherung meiner Daten für werbliche Zwecke
 

 
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
 
Folgende Aufforderungen gemäß Bundesdatenschutzgesetz betreffen
sämtliche über meine Person gespeicherten Daten, die Sie anhand dieser
Adressen identifizieren können:
 
          <Insert here Your eMail adress
            or the adress or phonenumber,
            where you got spam or just
            have been contacted without
            your permission! FOr example:

            your@email.de   when got spam by mail

            +49(0)1234 - 56789   when got spam by phonecalls >
 


Gemäß Bundesdatenschutzgesetz (BDSG) fordere ich Sie auf:
 
1. Sie haben mir gegenüber unverzüglich offen zu legen, welche Daten außer
den oben aufgeführten Adressen Sie über meine durch diesen Namen/diese
Adressen identifizierte Person gespeichert haben, und aus welchen
Quellen sämtliche mich betreffenden Daten stammen.
§ 6 Abs. 2, § 28 Abs. 4, § 34 Abs. 1-3 BDSG
 
2. Sie haben den Verwendungszweck sämtlicher mich betreffenden Daten ebenfalls 
unverzüglich mir gegenüber offen zu legen.
§ 34 Abs. 1, § 43 Abs. 3 BDSG
 
3. Sie haben sämtliche meine Person/meine Adressen betreffenden Daten
unverzüglich zu sperren und mir diese Sperrung zu bestätigen.
§ 28 Abs. 4, § 30 Abs. 3, § 43 Abs. 3, ferner § 4 Abs. 1 BDSG
 
4. Ich untersage Ihnen jedwede zukünftige Speicherung meine Person bzw.
meine Adressen betreffenden Daten ohne meine vorherige ausdrückliche
schriftliche Genehmigung.
§ 28 Abs. 4, § 4 Abs. 1,2 BDSG

 
5. Ich untersage Ihnen die Übermittlung dieser Daten an Dritte. Für
bereits an Dritte übermittelte Daten fordere ich eine unverzügliche
Sperrung.
§ 6 Abs. 2, § 28 Abs. 4 BDSG
 
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Wochen beginnend mit dem Datum dieses Schreibens.
 
7. Für die aus diesem Schreiben resultierende, selbstverständlich
ausdrücklich erwünschte Kommunikation benutzen Sie bitte ausschließlich
meine Postanschrift (siehe Seite 1 oben) !!!
 
 
Bitte haben Sie Verständnis dafür dass ich, sollten Sie dieses Schreiben
ignorieren, mich gezwungen sehe, den zuständigen Landesdatenschutzbeauftragten zu
informieren. Weitere rechtliche Schritte behalte ich mir vor.
§38 Abs. 4, § 43 Abs. 3
 
 
Ich bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre Kooperation.
 
 
Mit freundlichem Gruß
<Your Name>




@Nick:
I think you should send facebook a mail, they should tell what infos they have of your person, and that you dont allow to share your datas for marketing. Good luck!



PS:
I contacted the first 5 companies directly by phone and it was really amazing when they wanted to know where i have the adress/phonenumber from ^^ All this guys were really friendly and send me a confirmation by mail. Then i started with success the action by mail.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2011 »
That's really encouraging, I think that I will try this tactic with the people who have been contacting me by phone because it's quite annoying!

I'm also considering deleting my Facebook account.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2011 »
I get an automated phone call once a month from the "government" regarding debt. I suspect it is targetted at the former owner of the mobile number, as I am a PAYG customer and I recently changed my phone number.

Quite often I add a typo to a website, so if I get spam/junk with that specific typo, I can trace it back to its source without having to do much research.

I have also deleted much of my personal information from FaceBook. It was only up for a few days after I opened my account, but now nobody should have access to anything beyond my name on there.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011 »
Found an english article about facebook giving away your datas:

http://www.stateofsearch.com/facebook-is-now-giving-away-your-phone-and-address-number/

http://www.stateofsearch.com/facebook-is-going-to-relaunch-giving-away-phone-and-addresses/

I am no fan of facebook and i dont know what people really like so much on it. (i never used it but here in germany there are to much bad things about data protection with facebook).
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011 »
When I tell people my Facebook account is registered under a false name, has no photos of me and contains complete bullshit I get strange looks. Even when I tell them I value my privacy and I don't like the way Facebook (and other social networking sites) asks for so much private information, something that so many are only too eager to fill in and make public without thinking what they're doing.

Identity theft is one possible reason.

Over here in the UK paper shredders are very popular because people throw out so much private stuff in the trash like bank statements yet they tell the whole world all their private info online.

Stalking is another reason.

I had an email from a friend asking me to do a little h4kk!ng to find two addresses of two people who had ripped her off on eBay. I didn't have to do much than look them up on eBay then go to Facebook. I handed over so much info to my friend including the mobile phone number of one of their employers, full postal address of their work place and much more. Once you find one individual you can see who all their friends are and get extra info from them should whoever you're tracking down make their account private.

I don't like the way the default settings for Facebook are tell everyone everything. Unless you *think* about your own privacy you have to go in and make everything private.

Any data uploaded to Facebook stays with Facebook. Permanently.

The only reason I set up a Facebook account years ago was to help my fiance with her farm on Farmville as she needed more neighbours and wasn't into letting complete strangers into her friends list. So, having several websites I set up several dummy accounts, loaded them with junk and they were used to great effect. In no time she was ruling the place. I have to admit I got into Farmville myself and after we got bored - I tracked down the "delete account" link (which is hidden from view) and I had to go through quite a process to delete these accounts. Couple YEARS later we've got into CityVille - I went to re-register these accounts and guess what - they're all still very much there with all the content on them still present.

I couldn't activate all of them as they've introduced code to detect possible "account abuse" and after activating five of them the sixth they want my mobile number to verify the account belongs to a real human being. As I travel a bit repairing computers across the county there's nothing stopping me registering several new accounts across the county and using them at home.

Several times I've been told that the security on my account is not strong enough and that it's recommended I give them my mobile number to help verify myself should anything happen. Not likely as my password is VERY secure.

Facebook=pure evil.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011 »
Thanks to va!n for those links, this bit caught my eye:
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So what’s next? Is this the next step towards banking through Facebook? Will we get personal with Facebook and let it be the carrier of our personal information? We might.

Erm... I remember when your pay packet from a job was paid in cash. Little brown envelopes with your names on it with your money inside it - sealed.

With the arrival of the banks and their "technologies" many decided to switch to paying direct from the company to their accounts because it was more convenient.

This bit I can't stress enough: what was a convenience [banks] has now become a necessity as companies now refuse to pay you without a banka ccount.

I've not had a bank account for about 7 years and I have no need for one - I still get my wages, just alternative arrangements have been made.

While I'm on my mini rant - stop using those automated checkouts at supermarkets. I would rather queue for 10 minutes than to walk throuigh and help the companies remove what little precious human contact we've got left. These electronic tills ARE removing jobs from people regardless of what the companies say. They might not be sacking people now but they're not recruiting anywhere near as many people as they used to. Fact.

EDIT: I just remembered - I have several friends on Facebook who in real life call themselves private people. One is very shy and keeps herself to herself. Fairly young (early 20s) and very attractive. She's registered her "mobile device" with Facebook and she regularly posts all her info. She actually lives over an hours drive away on the other side of the county and yet I know where she's going for holiday, how she's managed to find E-cup bras for her petite frame after certain (named) shops refused to stock them and more. All because she posts everything on Facebook.

Another friend is again over an hour driving away on the other side of the county, a divorcee with 2 grown up kids. Hates even the neighbours knowing what she's doing yet she posts regular updates on Facebook even down to what she's eaten for breakfast (I kid you not!)

Scary world, isn't it?
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011 »
Actually I'm on FB since 2009 (fake ID, no personal infos.. you know) but I noticed that the main personal-data-giveaway belongs to installed apps... Everyone uses polls, games and such expose themself to potential privacy related issues (you can inspect which infos every app have access to by entering Privacy Settings an then selecting App to Delete).
FB let me keep in touch with some contacts I would be unable to with more conventional ways (phone, emails etc) or sharing links and photos without much hassle.
I'm on twitter and diaspora too...
If you reconsider all of the app that are accessing your personal infos and get rid of them by TOTALLY REMOVING THEM (you will obviously permanently delete all of your games highscore and such) and contacting every spammer out there to remove your infos you'll be able to reduce (by a considerable amount) junk mails.

You all should've noticed that every now and then FB updates privacy settings (at least 3 times since 2009) by adding new infos to manage... at the same time previous privacy setting (sometimes) got resetted to default settings (all infos available to everyone) or become mild... it would be nice to check privacy settings from time to time.

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Re: Facebook
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011 »
You all should've noticed that every now and then FB updates privacy settings (at least 3 times since 2009) by adding new infos to manage... at the same time previous privacy setting (sometimes) got resetted to default settings (all infos available to everyone) or become mild... it would be nice to check privacy settings from time to time.

This makes me as mad as hell.

What legal basis can they do this?  They hold our information and we can't get it off thier damned systems and just reset everyone's privacy settings at a stroke.  This should be illegal.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011 »
What legal basis can they do this?  They hold our information and we can't get it off thier damned systems and just reset everyone's privacy settings at a stroke.  This should be illegal.

unfortunately everything's written in the TOU all of us accept while registering an account... same is fot the ability to modify, at any point, the TOU by FB Team without a real need to poll what the users have to say about it.
Reading deeply in the TOS all of our personal infos, texts, photos... everything seems to became personal property of the FB Team...

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Anyway... registering with a fake ID doesn't seem to preserve us from the evil... since many of our friends use tags and such to correlate them with us....

Diaspora, for example, does not claim for property of anything you post (leave me a PM if you are in need for an invitation to join).

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Re: Facebook
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011 »
Maybe someone should make a demo about it..
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011 »
If anyone tags me in a photo I get untagged. Friends are told anyway NEVER to tag me in photos.

I've only ever received one photo tag to date so far and that was someone I'd known from school and didn't know not to add me.

Moroboshisan, it was their poorly (or so obviously) worded TOU that made me register with completely fake details.

If my fiance didn't have some paranoia about needing to get hold me me wherever I was I'd scrap my mobile phone as well. I have no real need for it and I actually hate the bloody intrusive thing.
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2011 »
Yeah, FB is really known for that. I guess/hope GMail is not the main reason for those
"calls" you received. Also I often use Facebook I really try to keep personal data like
phone numbers off those networks. Good luck!
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011 »
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/facebook-enables-facial-recognition-setting-without-warning-use.html

That is so Wrong! I am Glad that I have closed my facebook  3 Months ago! :P

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Re: Facebook
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011 »
Ah well, facebook stinks, we all know that. The prob is, everybody and their mom is on there (including me with my real name profile and my alter ego profile  ;)), so there's no escape really. You just gotta make sure to not publish too much private stuff and photos.

Maybe we should start our own DBF facebook and make it all better and get rich too! Who's in?  ;D


[Edit] Just saw that I already said facebook stinks in a post further above. I'm getting old...
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011 »
It's disabled on my profile now - thanks.

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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2011 »
This has made the news today. Apparently, Facebook are 'sorry': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13693791
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Re: Facebook
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2011 »
With an attidude like that, he should just set every bit in every part of his servers to "1" and have done with it.

Then everything will be on by default. Nothing will work, but everything will be on :D
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