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Offline ninogenio

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Re: Vista
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2006 »
i believe if anyone of us could be in his shoes with the amount bill gates has acheived we would jump at the chance i mean he seen an opening when pcs were just taking off and he jumped at it what one of us wouldnt?

the guy is smart and smart people although not always liked get places.

the only problem ive got with the guy is he has money and i dont ;D
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Re: Vista
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2006 »
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1959740,00.html

In the Guardian today...so it must be right ;-)
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Re: Vista
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2006 »
"Basically, it means that when we boot the system, we load the DLLs at random addresses," Fathi says. Hackers will no longer be able to work out where any particular block of code sits in memory, and jump to it.

Nor will intro coders ...
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Re: Vista
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2006 »
Well, after reading about some of your problems with Vista Jim, and from reading that article above I can only say that I'm quite looking forward to getting my hands on a copy and lashing it on a machine. I work for a living as a computer engineer and I've gotta say as sad as it may sound I really love my job. Been messing around with computers since the good old rubber door stop spectrum 48k's, and ever since then I've been hooked. Now I know that everybody hates Bill Gates, and I know that everybody hates his software, and I know that everything he does will piss off just about everyone that owns a pc that runs windows. I personally think that up to windows XP his team of programmers have had a lot to answer for with the amount of holes and flaws they have released in their software, and about 90% of the time its a security flaw, so straight away they look like plonkers for releasing something that could put the end users data or identity in jeopardy. But as often as I hear people say, or as often as I say that Microsoft or Bill Gates is a waste of space I do have to take a step back and consider the fact that for all their faults they are largely responsible for pushing the computer market to where it is today, Just like Clive Sinclair did when he first realeased the spectrum computer. OK I know he went a bit mad and came up with those little wheeled thingys to zip you about town, but even so he was instrumental in bringing computers to the home at an affordable price. The point I'm trying to make is that although we all feel disgruntled towards what we perceive as Microsofts often lapse approach to the security of their software, just rest assured in the fact that(and I'm going out on a limb here) none of us here has ever written anything on the scale as microsoft windows, but we have all found bugs in our code at some point or another so we are all capable of making mistakes. And of course you've always got windows update when things are found to be doing things they shouldn't. Imagine what we'd be like if Microsoft released something and did nothing to patch it afterwards. Hell on earth is all I can think of. Anyway I've rambled for to long, and I've actually said something positive about microsoft which is something that I didn't think I could do..... So after I've swallowed a gallon of fairy liquid and presumably vomited a few times I'll be back......

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Re: Vista
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2006 »
My mate used to windows vista beta version I think and he said it was crap( well that his view)  as it was unstable as so he perfer stick to window XP.

Now then....new graphics card that come out called Geforce 8800GTX(whoa!) which is direct 10 and it will work on window vista but for some old games(like direct x 9)....will it work on window vitsa?

My thinking is that I dont think old game will work on window vista unless they have specail software that enabled old games to work on window vitsa.


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Re: Vista
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2006 »
I think the plan is that Vista will support all legacy DirectX apps, so it'll run DX10 all the way down to DX1 (which so far is my experience), but if you write your game for DX10 they haven't planned to release DX10 for XP.

Jim

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Re: Vista
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2006 »
Ah bloody hell, that means I will have to upgrade to Vista at some time. Most of the winning 4ks in recent years have been very quick hacks on the latest dx drivers to use new features nobody seen before.
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Re: Vista
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2006 »
Gotta pull the punters in somehow ;).  I'm quite used to Vista now but Aero isn't enough to make me want to upgrade at work.  If DX10 becomes a standard, for games or productivity, then I (and everyone else) will have to upgrade.  If games all end up as DX10 everyone will need to upgrade- that's how '95 took off.

I know it p's you off, but loading dlls at random addresses is the best thing Microsoft have ever done for security.  Nonetheless, I think the simple hack is that even though the address is random, every process shares dlls at the same address once they are loaded - ie. it's fixed at the first time the dll is loaded.  So it's just a case of LoadLibrary-ing the dll, getting its base address and patching your sploit before applying it ;D

Jim
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Re: Vista
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2006 »
I know it p's you off, but loading dlls at random addresses is the best thing Microsoft have ever done for security. 

Actually it doesnt p me off cos Im not that good. It evens the field a bit for me :-)
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Re: Vista
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2006 »
I HATE win 98, it crashed all the time. :whack:
Got 2k and XP, prefer 2k even if it takes longer to start it seems to be more stable.
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Re: Vista
« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2006 »
New video driver from AMD end of last week...still no OpenGL...They've got six weeks to fix this until everyone starts screaming at them (that's when Vista is publically released).

I'm pretty sure I'm going to spend a day this festive holiday doing a clean install of Vista.  My machine's still a bit of a mess though the original problems have all calmed down.  Still have terrible problems with Remote Desktop, but even though I've read the web and usenet, it seems I'm the only one.  Maybe I too should wait until after the official release and other folks start clamouring for patches?

Jim
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Re: Vista
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2006 »
Was it the same situation with beta XP or is the release quality of beta lower in your opinion Jim?
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Re: Vista
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2006 »
XP was a nightmare too.  And 2000 was even worse.  You couldn't really use NT or 98 drivers on 2000, but you could sometimes get a 2000 driver to play on XP.  With both it was 6-12 months before everything had drivers.  Windows 95 was the funniest, there was just NOTHING.  They were all pretty stable though.

I'm sure there's just something screwed up on my system...It's 3 years old, has had various bits of spyware (yeah, I know, how did that happen), hundreds if not thousands of programs added and removed...I'm not really surprised that I've probably got something legacy installed that Vista doesn't like.  That's what caused all my initial problems.

Jim
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Re: Vista
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2006 »
In search of a stable OS, I've reinstalled Vista and deleted my old XP install.  Took under 45 mins to do a clean install, compared with 9 hours for the upgrade!  I am definitely recommending that people don't even bother thinking about upgrading a previous install.

Jim
PS. ATI - you have less than 5 weeks to get your OpenGL drivers out...
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Re: Vista
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2006 »
It took quite a while to reload my software, but probably less than the 9 hours it took to do an upgrade.  And now I have a WORKING PC!  All the things that were really broken are now OK.  As long as I install things in steps and spot if something goes wrong everything's running perfectly at the moment.
I'm not putting on any more ATI beta drivers, I'm using the built-in one that comes from Microsoft.  Means my gfx are a bit choppier right now, but at least it's had some testing!

Jim
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Re: Vista
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2007 »
Everything's been solid since I reinstalled.  The only recurring issue I've had is I managed to get a bad url in the IE7 history file, and every time it came up in the autocomplete bar IE7 crashed.  Clearing the history fixed that.

Also, ATI released a full-featured Vista driver on 29th January (yay!), so I'll be installing that tonight :)

Anyone queue up outside PC World at midnight to get a copy?

Jim
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Re: Vista
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2007 »
Is OpenGL stuff running ok?
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Re: Vista
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2007 »
People who queued to buy this amaze me. !!  :clap: All I can say really.
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Re: Vista
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2007 »
->Dr_D, all that stuff about Microsoft removing OpenGL or only allowing OpenGL to be layered on top of Direct3D are FUD.  OpenGL is a first class API under Vista.  The default Microsoft OpenGL is actually not bad and *is* layered on D3D, but this ATI driver includes a full ATI OpenGL driver.  So far everything works.

Jim
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Re: Vista
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2007 »
Sweet!  :updance:

I give you karma stuffs for make man happy!  :2funny:
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