So Bin Laden was executed

[Shockwave]

Looking back over the last few days does anyone else in the world feel the way I do?

I am sad that the man was not brought to trial for his crimes.

[Shockwave]

What I mean is that the West claim that we are different because we have a judicial system.

Even is someone is clearly as guilty as sin, how can the West claim the moral high ground and say justice has been served when they we have just gone in and executed a man without a trial?

[padman]

What makes me even more sad is the way Americans celebrated it. Ok, he's a bastard and responsible for 1000s of killed people in NY and I can understand that people in the US (and the rest of the world) are relieved that he's dead. But you don't celebrate the death of anybody in such a way, no matter how evil he was. You are not better than the bloody terrorists then. I too would have found it better if they caught him alive and brought him to justice. If he really tried to attack the special forces or not, we'll probably never know. It's okay for me that he is dead, I don't feel any sympathy, but the way it happened wasn't very clever. And don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-American or something, but this was the typical an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth action, which just isn't suitable for a modern Western country in the 21st century. Period.

[LittleWhite]

Don't you think all this shit is just a kind of joke ?

... I will certainly enter in a subject which is clearly dangerous for a forum, but:

From my point of  view, the best way to control a country is to afraid the population. Once you have done this part, you can do everything, like voting new outrageous laws, fighting everything you see as terrorists and so on.
Now, I have to say, the catastroph in 2001 (if I remember) was really sad ... I can't say something else. Lot of people died. Each terrorism attacks the same.
But, USA + Europa are using the terrorism to do some outrageous things.
Afganistan was attacked, Irak was attacked. We are forgetting all the deaths during these wars (civils).

So ok, Bin Laden is said dead (if he really exist). And now ? What is next ? Terrorism is dead ? certainly not ? Laws against terrorisms are shutdown ? No ... so ?

EDIT: I am not anti american ; I am just anti this crap society still making wars and silly things (money is the aim ?)
EDIT: +1 for padman.

[efecto]

Fully agree. Apparently International Law does not apply for Americans.
A Peace Nobel prize winner giving the go-ahead for a deadsquad to go and execute a human being.

but offcourse the world is safer now. allthough Not that any anti-terrorisme law will be softened

[Shockwave]

I almost didn't post this topic to be honest with you.

I was just looking at the news though and they were showing photos of the bloodstained floor  where Bin Laden was shot, and images of people whipped up into a frenzy, celebrating his execution.

I am a UK citizen and I think that terrorists are sick fucks who should be dealt justice, but this was not justice.  Even if he had been executed at the end of it, there should have been a trial.

My country is part of the co-allition who send young men to other countries to put thier lives on the line to defend our way of life.

What about all the Americans and British who have died and been injured in the name of upholding justice when the very governments who sent them can just go in and put a bullet in the head of an unarmed man, even if he was a terrorist, that's not justice.

I am glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that the way this was done is wrong.

[combatking0]

It's a relief that he's gone, but it's a shame that he didn't go on trial, and suffer the humiliation of a life time (what he had left of it) in the hands of his enemies.

What's darker is that we don't know who's going to replace him - is it going to be a meaner bastard who's anti-West resolve is even stronger than his, or is this just the sort of divisive strike that was needed to make them stop and think - the next one of them to become a figure-head for their organisation will end up being hunted down like an animal.

This could have been handled better, but who knows what he had planned, and when. Good riddance.

We can agree and disagree on various points regarding this subject. I agree that it is seriously bad that we are losing good men to this conflict. The other side is brain washing otherwise peaceful men, women and children into wasting their lives, just so they can try to kill the rest of us. Osama Bin Laden and the other terrorist leaders are / were on top of a pyramid which promotes suicide bombing - but we don't see the leaders leading by example.

If their followers could see that, the problem may be solved, but I fear it's not that simple.
Wiping them out isn't the answer either. We have the technology to do that, but we know it's wrong, morally. They don't question that morally, but they either lack the technology or the logistical means to deliver that technology on a massive scale, thankfully. Let's hope they never do.

The sooner this conflict is over, the better things will be for everyone involved, but not if they win. If we can dismantle their organisations from the top down, in a highly covert manner, they won't see us coming. They can be rounded up, put on trial, and their lower-ranks disbanded and re-educated for peacful purposes, ideally. They don't even need to see a Western-looking face.

Killing OBL and announcing it to the world just blew the cover off what was potentially the start of a very big covert operation. Though how covert that part of the operation actually was, I don't know.

[rain_storm]

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I agree that there is no need for celebrations. But I think justice was served. Would you rather he be brought before a trial, to have him sentenced to a public execution? So millions could watch. Like what happened to Suddam Hussein. Adding insult to injury and humiliating him, his family and his followers? No thank you, I prefer the way Bin Laden died.

[combatking0]

I'm not sure if South Park is popular amongst the regulars here, but they predicted quite accurately that he'd be shot in the head - over 9 years ago in the episode "Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants".

Though that may have been more wishful thinking than foresight, the fight sequence between Eric and Osama is fun. I can't find it on Youtube.

[padman]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuhn-pA-Y0&feature=related[/youtube]

This one?

[combatking0]

That's the episode. There's about 5 minutes of on-and-off fighting between Eric and Osama before that too, but that's the bit I was talking about. Well found.

[Pixel_Outlaw]

I also feel that the end of a wasteful and misspent life is not worthy of celebration.

I feel that there is a time when an individual should deviate from hand binding laws and just "pull the trigger".
He pretty much pissed off an entire nation (give or take a few people).
The point is that he was a direct military threat to our nation it wasn't so much that he was simply a "bad man".
In the end he became a target more than a human, the way people react to that will differ.

Just my opinion here from my limited point of view.

[Kirl]

Am I the only one who thinks the official 'evidence' linking Bin Laden to 9/11 is even less convincing then many of them fantastic conspiracy theories 

[spitfire]

Agree Kirl. The west behaves more like an evil empire everyday. They are so blatantly full of shit its not even worth pointing it out. I don't even associate with them anymore. At least living in the third world, I can claim some moral high ground that my taxes arent supporting murder of poor people for oil.

Osama was (and I believe, still is) CIA. Just another puppet to distract the dumbasses while the real killing spree continues.

[Kirl]

Minor correction: Dumbasses = dumb masses.