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Offline Pixel_Outlaw

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Can somebody proof my work please?
« on: October 22, 2008 »
Recently my art teacher has been driving me up the wall. She keeps talking about the infamous Golden Section incorrectly. I've tried to cobble together a little guide for artists to understand. I was wondering if I could get some feedback from people that know math like the back of their hand. I'm mostly looking for mistakes in math. I'm American so I needed to teach them to use inches in measurement, yes I know it is a primitive system but it still works.
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008 »
Nice going dude; I never knew about the Golden Section until I read your pdf. And at first glance I thought you spelt pi wrong, wasnt until I read further I realized my mistake :p

All I can add in the way of help for you dude is that state what the measurement conversion is: 1 Inch = 2.54 cm's ( approx ).

Also some of your new paragraphs / bits of a sentenance appear right at the bottom of the pdf page and spill over, I'd change those so that a new paragraph / long sentence always starts on a fresh page. If that makes sense and is of any use to you.
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008 »
Thanks for all the encouragement! I'm not a great writer or mathematician.I'll probably add what you have said. ;)

I can draft up a storm however. I made a rough design for a tool that should find the golden mean automatically. It can expand and contract while maintaining the center position. It seems to be a solid design but I need to check my math and build a prototype. Maybe a gift for my teacher if all goes well and I can get the stock cheap.

EDIT the drawing was based on a poor understanding of a pantograph. I've found out what is wrong. The old drawing will NOT maintain ratio.

EDIT 2 This is my second pantograph prototype. This should maintain ratio.

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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008 »
Hi....Here goes     12 inches= 1 foot 

                          3 feet  =   1 yard

                         1760 yards  = 1 Mile

1 Metre  is equal to  1 yard 3.25 inches

  I'll think of some others tomorrow, and post them for you.
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008 »
Sorry accidentally hit the edit button and posted in your post..

I can do conversions fairly easily. The problem really is that you have to go through about 3 stores to find any metric measuring tools. They are that unpopular here. The only place that the metric systems exists here is in the science industry. You are hard pressed to find any sort of metric ruler where I live. Americans mostly HATE the metric system. I can go either way. This is for an art instructor at my college so I doubt she will be using any metric measurement. All of our normal papers and canvases come in inch format.
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008 »
That's excellent, there are a lot of people who would agree with the use of imperial over metric in the UK I suspect .

We're not allowed to sell a pound of anything any more, it has to be in kilos, grammes etc.

They haven't managed to stop UK landlords selling pints of beer yet though but I guess that there will be not many pubs left here soon anyway.
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008 »
You wrote:
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Phi marks a division point between two spaces or distances
It's a bit more than that.
If you divide a length "a" into two segments "b" and "c" at the golden section:
a/b=phi *and* b/c=phi.
And that's probably what makes it feel "fitting".

You "show" that in your introducing picture, which is a bit confusingly coloured:
if "blue" is 1 and "red" is 1.618 (phi) then "yellow" is 2.618, but phi is yellow, too?
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008 »
Yeah, I still use Stones, Pounds (lb) and Ounces (oz), instead of the lawabiding Kilos / Grammes. I cant get on with Inches, and prefer Centimeters / Meters.

Us UK dwellers are like the US still use Miles, instead of our European friends Kilometres. It's a bit like teaching an Old Dog New Tricks, with me at least. And cant get on with Farhenheight either, celsius all the way.

Pubs will never have that same feeling or most importantly atmosphere, mostly due to the smoking ban ( I like most of my friends wont quit because of that ) and I couldnt imagine asking for an alcoholic beverage by any other term, would sound very odd ( A Measure Of Your Finnest Guiness Draught LandLord ). Also hundreds of pubs in my area have closed, the remaining ones have turned into branded Gastro Pubs. The Government is fucked up.

Back On Topic: Whens the deadline for submitting your work P_O?
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008 »
Well we have class again in about 12 hours. I would prefer to have it 90% by then.

I know her pretty well and once she gets the info I'm sure my little guide will be photocopied to death and spread over 3 or so art classes. She has been trying to find a way to learn and teach it for some time.

I have a very irregular sleep pattern, I'm going to grab a few hours before I get online again. Mayhaps I wake up to some revisions.

My time is currently 1:22 AM I have class at 1:00 PM. I probably won't get the new pantograph done in time but perhaps the document may be prepared. I did make the pantograph but my original plans lacked fundamental understanding of how they worked. I plan to present the math and also a tool that does the math for you. If this tradition is going to be taught the professor needs to understand the concept herself.

I'll attach a slightly newer version. I know that I use both 1.618 and .618 but I think I might blow a few minds trying to teach them how we get .618 from 1.618. You have to remember that I had to show how to convert decimal to fractional units.

I'll upload the new .pdf...

EDIT just saw Hellfire's post. I'll accommodate that in the morning too...
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008 »
I think some of the American non-metric measurments are slightly different to their UK counterparts, especially when it comes to weights. Most of the distances I think are the same.
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Re: Can somebody proof my work please?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008 »
The golden rule applies to the fibonacci sequence. A very interesting sequence.

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008 »
"Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself"  :D


Got a prototype done. It has a medium margin of error. I'll have to reconsider how I'm making the parts.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2008 »
I've scrapped the old document mainly because I flip flopped betwee using 1.618 and .618. I have now standardized the use to 1.618.



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